Friday, July 6, 2007

Pray for us sinners...

I had an interesting conversation with a friend of mine who does not believe in the Saints or Our Blessed Mother. She knows Mary is the mother of Christ, but frankly she is not important to my friend, as is the case with most religions. This is very sad to me, because frankly it is like saying that Mothers are not important, but the Mother of God should strike fear and love in everyone. I can't imagine meeting Christ, and saying I love You, but not your Mother. I would not say that to any of my friends, so why would I say it to Jesus?

Nonetheless I did my best to explain to her the importance of the Saints and Our Blessed Mother. The conversation went something like this:

Friend: Please pray for my son to make the right decision about his future. (Note: pretty serious steps he is taking)

ME: "I certainly will, and why not ask St. Jude to pray for your special intentions? He is the patron of desperate cases and will not cease praying for your intentions."

Friend: "Oh Judy you know me I'll go straight to Jesus." (smiles)

Me: "OK then why ask me to pray for you?" (grins)

Not convinced but I could see I got my point across. I adore this friend and I have actually had conversations like this with others. I usually will end the conversation with, "why not ask those closest to Our Lord, those in heaven with Him as we speak, to pray for us. I mean I am a lowly sinner and you ask me, but asking his dear friends, the saints, and His Mother to pray for you honors Him all the more."

Later I had the opportunity to convince my friend even more about the Saints. I happened to call her one afternoon and she was in a state of panic. She had lost her keys and her husband was out of town. She was supposed to take one of the kids to a soccer game and had a whole list of errands to do but had given up finally as it was already 2 in the afternoon. I said calmly, "Well if you would just ask St. Jude to help you, he would." Reluctant, but desperate, she said "OK." Before we even finished praying over the phone, her son who was sitting behind her jumped up and said, "MOM MOM, THE KEYS, THEY FELL OUT OF THE RECLINER JUST NOW!"

"OK Judy you win, I'm going to have to tell my husband about this!"


Suzanne said...

Great go prayer girl! ;)

Suzanne said...

Oh! Did I tell you that I was in the middle of Our Lady of the Forest and wanted to throw it against the wall?
It WAS disgusting! I get so frustrated with myself when I buy a book that I have not look through well, get it home and that happens.
It has only happened a couple of times. Thank goodness!

Saint Maker said...

Oh lady of the Forest... really gross. I read the entire book so that I could at least debate it at book club or try to find something redeaming about it. But as it turned out NO ONE liked the book, not even the poor gal who picked it out.

Angie said...


I just want to clarify some misconceptions out there about us Protestants. I'm not trying to start a debate and I didn't even want to post this, but it has been on my mind. :)

I guess the first question is wether or not Mary is the mother of God. She is the mother of Jesus, but no, she is not the mother of God. God created man (and woman). Jesus is God. Not only is he part of the trinity, but he was there at the beginning when the earth (and man) was created.

John 1:1-4 (NKJV)
1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

You see, Jesus was there in the beginning. Everything was created through Him, nothing was made without Him, so Mary was made through Him, she couldn't be the mother of God, for He existed before she was ever made. Now, she is Jesus' earthly mother. Protestants do recognize that and respect her for it. And do we love Mary? Yes, protestants love Mary too, but we do not worship her. We love her as we would love the mother of a good friend. We love her and we respect her, but we do not worship her or give her any praise, as all praise and worship is His.

You asked your friend, why she would ask you to pray for her son, but not ask a saint to pray for her, because afterall, you were not sinless.

There is a huge difference in asking a person here on earth to pray for you versus a person who is dead to pray for you. First of all, the person is dead. He/she is no longer of this world. They can not hear you. God is Omnicient and Omnipresent. He knows your every need before you even ask. God is capable of hearing every prayer in the world. Human beings do not have this ability. They do not have the ability to hear our prayers. When you are praying to a dead person, you are trying to communicate with the dead, and then on top of it, they can't even hear you. Jesus can hear you, for He is God. He is Omnipresent and Omnicient. Only He can hear you and act on your prayers.

And then on top of all that, a person who is dead is either present with the Lord or in Hell. I'm not trying to say the saints aren't saints, but we honestly do not know anyone else's fate. Only God knows our hearts and our relationship with him. Doing good deeds doesn't get you into Heaven, our relationship with Christ does. So, in praying to a dead person, this person could be in Heaven, where they are immensely happy or they are in Hell. Either way, neither a person in Heaven or a person in Hell can hear our prayers. Only God can hear our prayers and He also has the power to answer our prayers.

And I do want to point out that asking a dead person to pray for you to God, is the same as praying to a dead person, or communicating with a dead person, because all praying is, is communicating with God.

Asking a person on earth to pray for you, on the otherhand, is great. You can actually communicate with live people here on earth and they can communicate with God through prayer.

I'm going to throw out some versus that I feel discuss communicating with the dead. I'm not throwing them out to point fingers or to say that Catholics are involved with these types of things, but I do believe that trying to communicate with the dead falls into the same category as these versus discuss.

1. "When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you." (Deuteronomy 18:9)

2. "Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God." (Leviticus 19:31)

3. "And the person who turns after mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people." (Leviticus 20:6)

4. "So Saul died for his unfaithfulness which he had committed against the Lord, because he did not keep the word of the Lord, and also because he consulted a medium for guidance." (1 Chronicles 10:13)

A medium or a spiritist is one who communicates with the dead. Praying to a saint is also trying to communicate with the dead.

Oh, and as for praying to Mary, well, she's dead too, so she falls into this same category, of praying to dead people.

I also just want to throw out there one very important thing that I think people so easily forget:

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. (John 14:6)

There is only one way to God, and that is through Jesus Christ. There is no other way. Why would I try to go through a sinner (Mary is human, and therefore a sinner, as there is only one person on earth who has never sinned, and that is Jesus) to get to God. If I, a sinner, can not get to God on my own, why would I expect another sinner to do it for me?

That is one great thing about the Christian religion. We are the only religion out there that has a sinless savior. Every other religion has a savior that has sinned and is dead. Not only is our savior sinless, but He is alive. Yes, Jesus is alive like you and me. We hear it all growing up, but to actually think about it, it is totally amazing.

Anyways, I could go on and on. I don't want to start a debate and really didn't want to post this, but I've had a feeling in my stomach that I needed to voice our side, as I feel it is so often misunderstood and because there are definite reasons found in the Bible for our beliefs.

Oh, and I wanted to point out that I'm a dear friend of Jesus's too. :)